[arch-d] Systems theory: The IETF "addicted" to "symptomatic solutions" aka "point solutions"?
Pekka Nikander <pekka.nikander@nomadiclab.com> Thu, 09 November 2006 06:55 UTC
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Subject: [arch-d] Systems theory: The IETF "addicted" to "symptomatic solutions" aka "point solutions"?
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On Nov 9, 2006, at 4:24, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Until the IETF faces the reality, > which is that customers aren't buying the IPv6 KoolAid, and makes > radical > changes to it to actually make it worthwhile, that state of affairs > will > continue. This brought to my mind something that I read recently. In the systems theory or systems dynamics, there is a behavioural pattern called "Shifting the Burden". That pattern has been known for at least a decade, probably much longer; I'm sure some of you must be familiar with it. I just haven't happened to be aware of the results the systems theory people have. Anyway, here are a couple of articles that explain the pattern: http://www.systems-thinking.org/theWay/ssb/sb.htm http://www.worldtrans.org/essay/shiftingburden.html Looking at the pattern, to me it looks pretty clear that the IETF has been stuck to the "symptomatic solution", failing to address the more fundamental problems, thereby allowing the side effects to accumulate. Yes, that in itself is nothing new; it has been argued several times with different terms. What was new to me is that the behaviour that we are seeing is common to human beings and human organisations, and well known in the systems theory. What is perhaps more worrisome, at least to me, is that the "shifting of burden" pattern easily leads to an "addiction" pattern, where there becomes a dependency to the symptomatic behaviour pattern that further inhibits the fundamental solution; see: http://www.systems-thinking.org/theWay/sad/ad.htm According to systems theory, such an addiction "make the real source of the problem, in time, even more difficult to resolve." Sad. --Pekka Nikander _______________________________________________ Architecture-discuss mailing list Architecture-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss
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