Re: [Asrg] Lets Fix Mailing Lists

["Alan DeKok" <aland@freeradius.org>]

Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> wrote:
> For example, how do you distinguish "never existed" from "terminated
> for spamming"?  Do you consider both cases to be "forged?"  I hope
> not.

  To get back to the charter, this is an issue of consent.  Leaving
aside the question of how much of what kind of spam exists, having a
consent trail which can be validated helps enormously.

  For that reason, I'm not as worried about spam from throw-away
accounts, as I am about spam from open relays, or willing accomplices
hosting the spamming MTA.  I believe that the two kinds of UBE are
fundamentally different, and that the methods used to deal with them
should also be different.

> It's also worth quantifying the total from which that or any "vast
> majority" is drawn.  For example, conclusions based on 5000 messages
> sent toward a handful addresses should convince no one of much of
> anything.

  At the minimum, they're a known outlier, and a line drawn in the
sand.  They serve to give insight into the statistical distributions
in a way that the average cases cannot.

  Alan DeKok.
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