[Asrg] Impracticalities

gep2@terabites.com Sun, 08 May 2005 18:40 UTC

Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DUqhb-0003mv-UG; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:40:31 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DUqha-0003mc-Aw for asrg@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:40:30 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09914 for <asrg@ietf.org>; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: gep2@terabites.com
Message-Id: <200505081840.OAA09914@ietf.org>
Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DUqwU-000359-D8 for asrg@ietf.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:55:55 -0400
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:39:57 +0000
X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements
X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium
Received: from WinProxy.anywhere (c-24-0-189-130.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.0.189.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005050818395701400g1ftbe>; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:39:57 +0000
Received: from 192.168.0.104 by 192.168.0.100 (WinProxy); Sun, 8 May 2005 13:38:59 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
To: asrg@ietf.org
X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17
X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: [Asrg] Impracticalities
X-BeenThere: asrg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/asrg>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Sender: asrg-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: asrg-bounces@ietf.org

>>>> This document effectively says that all users are to send their email by
> relaying it through their ISP SUBMIT service (not only home but also while
> traveling) rather then make attempts to do it directly.

>> Or they can use port 587 to submit to external services. That's what I
> remember reading

> Correct. External services that made prior arrangement with user for using
such a service, i.e. its an xSP (ISP/ASP/MSP..) service.

> That is effectively the same thing as ISP email service, we just separate 
meaning of email service being provided by ISP into email receiving service
and email sending service and specify that both may involve separate 
independent arrangements and separate providers. I suspect that in 99%
of cases its still going to be the same provider, but its good to provide 
for possibility of alternative just in case.

That's completely, hopelessly impractical if a user is traveling and has no 
control over the originating path of their outgoing E-mail.

Examples of such users are those using airport waiting lounge Internet access 
kiosks, Internet cafes (say, in Cozumel), cruise ship Internet cafes, public 
library Internet access carrels, Internet access rooms (say, over the post 
offices in Beijing, China).  In these cases, the user can submit E-mails with a 
From: address, To: address, subject, body, and (with luck) Bcc: headers, but has 
**no** control over what SMTP server (or IP port) is used to send the mail.  
Clearly, still, they need to be able to use "their" E-mail From: address, which 
will not infrequently be "their own" ["vanity"?] domain name.

There are no shortage of braindead/lame ideas, obviously, where some users 
presume that everyone's Internet usage pattern is like their own, but to be 
workable we have to allow for EVERYONE's [legitimate!] usage.

Gordon Peterson                  http://personal.terabites.com/
1977-2002  Twenty-fifth anniversary year of Local Area Networking!
Support free and fair US elections!  http://stickers.defend-democracy.org
12/19/98: Partisan Republicans scornfully ignore the voters they "represent".
12/09/00: the date the Republican Party took down democracy in America.



_______________________________________________
Asrg mailing list
Asrg@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg