[Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68
Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com> Wed, 18 April 2007 03:08 UTC
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Subject: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68
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All, We, the co-chairs of the GEOPRIV working group, have received private messages of concern regarding the GEOPRIV meeting held at IETF 68 and the outcome of that meeting. Upon initial investigation, we believe there were irregularities with the scheduling and agenda of the meeting that rise above the normal course of business within the IETF. It is our opinion that at this time, it is best to bring notice of these irregularities to the working group in the interest of transparency and for the integrity of the IETF. AGENDA CHANGE The IETF process allows for agenda changes during meetings. At the outset of the meeting, the agenda was changed substantially from the published agenda. This change included removing the discussion of location signing and integrity and replacing it with an L7-LCP protocol consensus call. However, evidence has arisen that the the Area Directors, Cullen Jennings and Jon Peterson, met privately with some participants of the GEOPRIV working group to inform them of this agenda change. Cullen Jennings is the Area Advisor to GEOPRIV. If such meetings did occur, we believe them to be improper and to have potentially harmed the integrity and transparency of GEOPRIV and the IETF. It is not proper for officiates of a working group to plan working group agenda changes and privately inform only select group participants. Doing so disadvantages participants of the working group who have not been advised of this change. This is especially true for this particular meeting as the agenda change precipitated 15 hums during the meeting. SCHEDULE CHANGE As noted ahead of time, two of the three co-chairs, Andy and Allison, were unable to attend IETF 68. The working group co-chairs planned for this in advance by finding a substitute acting chair, Henning Schulzrinne, to aid the one co-chair, Randy, who was able to attend. This change was publicly announced on the mailing list before IETF 68. However, the RAI Area Directors announced a last minute (Sunday) schedule change which created an unresolvable conflict for Randy. The Area Directors executed this schedule change over the objections of the GEOPRIV co-chairs and in full knowledge of the conflict it created. Additionally, the reason given was so that a working group co-chair for another working group could attend his meeting. As a result of the schedule change, the meeting was co-chaired by Jon Peterson, the other RAI Area Director. Consequent to the agenda change regarding L7-LCP, Henning recused himself during the latter half the meeting, leaving Jon Peterson to solely run the meeting. During the meeting, a few participants expressed concerns regarding the agenda and schedule changes. These concerns were dismissed by Jon. CONSENSUS CALLS As noted above, the meeting resulted in an unusually high (15) number of consensus calls for GEOPRIV. This includes the unusual decision to use an alternate consensus method of a plurality vote to choose between two protocol proposals. As noted in the raw minutes and the audio recording of the meeting, for the call that used the plurality voting method, Cullen Jennings both called the consensus and cast the last and tie-breaking vote in the room. It should also be noted that one of the hums was called on a question not described in an existing Internet-Draft. The schedule change, the agenda change made known to a few select participants in advance, and the unusual sense-of-the-room hums, together create at least the appearance that there may have been an attempt to manipulate the IETF process to hold and predetermine the outcome of consensus calls. Even the appearance of such manipulation, regardless of how well-intentioned the actions may have been, threatens the integrity and openness of the IETF. The IETF relies on not just open, fare processes, but also transparency that good procedures are followed. The irregularities are now on the record of the group, hopefully never to be repeated. In order to follow IETF process, all resolutions put forward during a working group meeting must be ratified on the working group's mailing list. The chairs will shortly be sending messages to formally initiate consensus calls on the sense-of-the-room hums that were taken in Prague. Since so many hums were put forth during the IETF 68 meeting, we plan to send multiple messages to the working group mailing list seeking ratification of the proposals. Because of what happened in Prague, the chairs want to make very sure that the subsequent consensus calls are very open and non-coercive. We ask all working group participants to please pay close attention to these calls and respond appropriately. The first of these messages will be sent shortly. Sincerely, The geopriv co-chairs: - Andy - Allison - Randy _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
- [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting… Randall Gellens
- RE: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Ted Hardie
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… todd glassey
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… John Schnizlein
- RE: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… James M. Polk
- RE: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Mee… Dawson, Martin