[Geopriv] HELD Comment on terminology and semantics
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This comment also affects the L7 LCP requirements, since that's where some of the terminology comes from. Access Provider is defined as "an organization". That's singular. Specifically, one that provides physical connectivity. L7 LCP never defined the term, but I guess it sort of implied the same thing, by inheriting the term from geopriv requirements. My problem is that the device will most likely talk to the LCS of an L3 provider (a.k.a. ISP), and not the physical access provider. If the two are the same, then that's fine. But if they aren't, then saying the device talks to the physical access provider LCS isn't correct. Anyway, I think we've had this semantic discussion before, and we agree that this is true, and that there can be multiple LCS, etc. I recommend the following changes: In 3 Terminology, first paragraph, replace "Access Provider (AP)" with "Access Network". Delete Access Network Provider definition. Delete Access Provider definition. Add: Access Network (no abbreviation needed): The network that provides physical and Layer 1 through Layer 3 connectivity to customers / users. Examples of physical connectivity include digital subscriber lines, cable TV plants, Ethernet, leased lines or radio frequencies. This network may include elements owned by different providers, since it is not necessary for all layers of access to be provided by the same organization. In LCS definition, delete "Provider's". Delete Location Generator definition. I couldn't find any use of this. Delete Location Server definition. I couldn't find any use of this. In 4 (Overview and Scope) first paragraph, 3rd sentence, change it to "The LCS service allows Devices (and Targets) to retrieve LI." In the diagram, delete "Provider". I think if L7 LCP removed the word "Provider" from sections 1 through 3, that it would also be good. I realize this goes all the way back to geopriv requirements. However, that was written before it was necessary to distinguish between L2 and L3 providers (like L7 LCP does in its latter sections). I'd rather not touch geopriv requirements. But given all the requirements in L7 LCP about relationships between providers, and given that we're now starting LIS to LIS requirements, I think that suggesting "Access Provider" is a singular organization is dangerous. I'm okay with having a singular access network, so long as we mention that it may be operated by multiple providers. ---------------------------- Miscellaneous typos / editorial comments 1. 1 Introduction, 2nd sentence, change "such as such as" to "such as" 2. end of that same paragraph, include reference to L7 LCP ("[11]"). 3. 4 Overview and Scope, 4th paragraph, change "this protocol" to "the HELD protocol", just for clarity, in case other people miss the obvious antecedent, like I did at first. Barbara ***** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. GA621 _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Brian Rosen
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Winterbottom, James
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Winterbottom, James
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Stark, Barbara
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Stuard, Doug
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Brian Rosen
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Winterbottom, James
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Mary Barnes
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] Response time use cases (was: HELDc… Winterbottom, James
- RE: [Geopriv] Response time use cases (was: HELDc… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] Response time use cases(was:HELDcom… Winterbottom, James
- RE: [Geopriv] Response time use cases(was:HELDcom… Marc Linsner
- RE: [Geopriv] Response time use cases(was:HELDcom… Winterbottom, James
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Brian Rosen
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
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- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
- Re: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Cullen Jennings
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Dawson, Martin
- RE: [Geopriv] HELD comment on responseTime parame… Stark, Barbara
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