[Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopriv-policy
Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> Fri, 21 September 2007 11:19 UTC
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Subject: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopriv-policy
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Hi Lisa, Hi all, Background: draft-ietf-geopriv-policy is currently in IESG Evaluation </idtracker/help/state/20/> and Lisa has put a DISCUSS on the document. Here are Lisa's comments and I would like to discuss them on the mailing list: https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-ietf-geopriv-policy/comment/71788/? https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-ietf-geopriv-policy/comment/71781/? Lisa focused on the aspect of user interfaces in her feedback. Thank you Lisa for giving the document so much thought. Here is a copy-and-paste from the comments from the tracker: " This is very complicated (too flexible) for a privacy extension. I do not expect clients from different vendors to be able to interoperate very well over the same policy information. I expect the end result of this to be cases where users believe they have privacy, or intend to have privacy, but do not achieve their goals due to difficulty of getting clients to interoperate with each other and with servers. " " These mechanisms are too complicated and don't give enough thought to how different user-agents are going to interact. In particular, one should imagine setting a privacy policy with one user agent and then trying to edit it with another. It seems that geo-spatial policy creation requires some kind of user interface that includes a map. Is that correct? Are devices without maps then unable to modify or even read policies? I am not sure that the polygons are as cut-and-dried as they appear. I'd like to understand better: - how one knows what is the inside of the polygon, and what is the outside - ... how that interacts with poles and other problems mapping 2D to a sphere - how the altitude stuff works at all with client GUIs - when is altitude known and unknown, independent of knowing a rough long/lat position - whether you can define a polygon for "Alberta" and one for "Saskatchewan" and have any point be in one or the other or completely outside both -- but not *inside* both, and not stuck in-between When it comes to users viewing policies created in the past, the lack of human-readable labels and comments is going to be a real usability problem. What happens when a user or user-agent creates a non-sensical geo-political or geo-spatial location? Are all geo-political elements *really* allowed in conditions? One possible non-sensical policy would be "Show my location unless I'm in seat 32A". Aren't there any restrictions here? How are user agents supposed to handle mixed geo-spatial and civic location conditions? How would that be displayed or represented in a list of policy elements? With the dependency on geopriv-revised-civic-lo, this can't complete yet anyway. " Thoughts? Ciao Hannes _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv
- [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopriv-po… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Lisa Dusseault
- AW: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - DE/Germany - MiniMD)
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Carl Reed OGC Account
- Re: AW: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-ge… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] Lisa's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-geopri… Hannes Tschofenig