"I am a strong believer in the democratic process."
"Mike O'Dell" <mo@ccr.org> Sat, 23 June 2001 15:40 UTC
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From: Mike O'Dell <mo@ccr.org>
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Subject: "I am a strong believer in the democratic process."
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if so, you should stay far, far away from the IETF. it is not "democratic", never has been and never should be it is a meritocracy of a quite rude and abrasive sort and that's neither an accident nor a bug good ideas don't need the benefit of the doubt if you have an idea but it isn't yet baked enough to withstand a public proctological examination, keep working on it in private, among yourselves, however you choose to work, until it is baked and you can defend its architecture and design. THEN you can ask for a working group. working groups attempting to design a half-baked idea not only don't get the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't get the benefit of existance in the first place. "We don't believe in kings, presidents, or voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." -Dave Clark, Internet Architect "I know rough consensus when I feel it." -Anonymous IESG Area Director So much for parlimentarianism. -mo ex-Anonymous IESG Area Director
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