Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring
Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com> Fri, 27 August 2004 20:47 UTC
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leslie, you wrote, in response to john: > We are in agreement that key strategic decisions have to be made > with the informed consent of the community. Harald and I have > made the commitment to put as much on the table as is possible ... let me quote from california's sunshine law: The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created. now of course, "ietf" != "california", but the case is almost parallel, in that you and harald are representing a lot of engineers and companies, who accept the gift of your nonrenumerated representation because they ("we") believe that it's in our best interests to have you trying to make good things happen on our behalf. if i havn't said it often enough or lately, let me say it now -- THANK YOU! however, i am uncomfortable with some of the chaos around the reorg, and most of my discomfort is related to disclosure. please find a way to do more of the negotiations out in the open. there are very few "ietf special interests" whom i respect or trust enough to be comfortable knowing that they're being told things, or being allowed to make proposals, that the public (that's me) isn't directly aware of. paul _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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