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I have the good fortune to not be subscribed to the namedroppers list, so I have no familiarity with past traffic on that list. I think it behooves us all to let bygones be bygones - I don't see much point in debating alleged misdeeds of former ADs.
Brian
Mr. Alvestrand's comments certainly demonstrates the animousity of the
former chair and they demonstrate his motive for not enforcing the IETF
and ISOC Code of Conduct against those making personal attacks against
Dean Anderson, Av8 Internet, and perhaps others, such as Dan Bernstein,
who were abused but the abuse was never properly redressed, nor were the
abusers chastisted or punished in any way. Abuse of Mr. Bernstein by
Randy Bush was on the Namedroppers (DNSEXT) list, and included publishing
his subscription address enabling forged unsubscriptions, and altering or
delaying his messages and other inappropriate "special treatment" for
which Mr. Bush was never chastised or punished, nor made to apologize.
Mr. Alvestrands recent comments shows again the substance to this complaint: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg30614.html
Therefore, I would like to renew the earlier Code of Conduct complaints made against Mr. Vixie and others, with the additional provision noting the personal hostility of the former chair, Mr. Alvestrand, and his failure to act appropriately regardless of his personal hostility.
I believe the IETF owes an apology to Dan Bernstein, Dean Anderson, Av8 Internet, and possibly others.
Dean Anderson Av8 Internet, Inc
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
Since I'm no longer responsible for anything that Dean Anderson has a legitimate role in, and Dean Anderson has proved that he irritates me, I can stop listening to Dean Anderson.
Goodbye, mr. Anderson.
--On 25. juni 2005 20:21 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean at av8.com> wrote:
The IETF cannot accept the statements of known, court-proven liars, nor can it suppress this fact in its deliberations. If the IETF accepts court-proven and documented liars as reliable sources of fact, then it will have no more credibility in its statements, as they will be based on lies, not on truth.
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