Brian,

> I have the good fortune to not be subscribed to the
> namedroppers list, so I have no familiarity with past
> traffic on that list. I think it behooves us all to let
> bygones be bygones - I don't see much point in debating
> alleged misdeeds of former ADs.

ADs in their deeds, or misdeeds represent not just themselves, but
IESG as a whole. As such, deeds/misdeeds of ADs should be viewed
as deeds/misdeeds of IESG, and not just of individual ADs. Therefore,
I think it behooves IESG to resolve *in a public forum* complains
about alleged misdeeds by ADs, irrespective of whether these ADs
are former or not.

Yakov.

> 
>      Brian
> 
> Dean Anderson wrote:
> > Mr. Alvestrand's comments certainly demonstrates the animousity of the
> > former chair and they demonstrate his motive for not enforcing the IETF
> > and ISOC Code of Conduct against those making personal attacks against
> > Dean Anderson, Av8 Internet, and perhaps others, such as Dan Bernstein,
> > who were abused but the abuse was never properly redressed, nor were the
> > abusers chastisted or punished in any way.  Abuse of Mr. Bernstein by
> > Randy Bush was on the Namedroppers (DNSEXT) list, and included publishing
> > his subscription address enabling forged unsubscriptions, and altering or
> > delaying his messages and other inappropriate "special treatment" for
> > which Mr. Bush was never chastised or punished, nor made to apologize.  
> > 
> > Mr. Alvestrands recent comments shows again the substance to this
> > complaint:
> > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg30614.html
> > 
> > Therefore, I would like to renew the earlier Code of Conduct complaints
> > made against Mr. Vixie and others, with the additional provision noting
> > the personal hostility of the former chair, Mr. Alvestrand, and his
> > failure to act appropriately regardless of his personal hostility.
> > 
> > I believe the IETF owes an apology to Dan Bernstein, Dean Anderson, Av8
> > Internet, and possibly others.
> > 
> > Dean Anderson
> > Av8 Internet, Inc
> > 
> > On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Since I'm no longer responsible for anything that Dean Anderson has a 
> >>legitimate role in, and Dean Anderson has proved that he irritates me, I 
> >>can stop listening to Dean Anderson.
> >>
> >>Goodbye, mr. Anderson.
> >>
> >>--On 25. juni 2005 20:21 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The IETF cannot accept the statements of known, court-proven liars, nor
> >>>can it suppress this fact in its deliberations.  If the IETF accepts
> >>>court-proven and documented liars as reliable sources of fact, then it
> >>>will have no more credibility in its statements, as they will be based on
> >>>lies, not on truth.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
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