Re: draft-ietf-ipr-trademarks-00.txt

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey at worldnet.att.net>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Josefsson" <jas at extundo.com>
To: "Bill Sommerfeld" <sommerfeld at sun.com>
Cc: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald at alvestrand.no>; <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ipr-trademarks-00.txt


> Bill Sommerfeld <sommerfeld at sun.com> writes:
>
> > On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 12:10, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> >> If a WG reached consensus on acknowledging a trademark, which I
> >> thought is what you said earlier for this example,
> >
> > That's not what I said.
> >
> > The WG was asked by the trademark owner/original author to rename the
> > protocol; instead the WG reached consensus that renaming to avoid the
> > trademark was unnecessary.

Why is a WG making a decision of this type??? - this is clearly an openloop
governance model and its totally unacceptable.

>
> Thank you for clarifying.
>
> > As I understand it, trademark law puts a burden on trademark owners to
mark
> > their own trademarks in certain contexts.
>
> Do you, or anyone else, have further references on this?
>
> One question is whether RFCs are included in those contexts.
>
> > Passing through trademark identifiers seems only fair.
>
> I'm not contending that.  I have suggested that if trademark
> identifiers are passed through, there should be an IPR statement on
> the use of that trademark.
>
> Doing so would be simple for the IETF, and would go a long way to
> improve the situation for me, and presumably other free software
> implementors.
>
> I believe it is sound advice to be skeptical about the motives of
> anyone who submit a protocol standard that contain trademarks but do
> not want to make the trademark usage permission public.  Going through
> lengths and update RFC 3667 to protect that behavior does not seem
> like a good idea to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
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