Re: recourse if our rules are violated?

[Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>]

todd glassey wrote:
 
> What happens to a filing (after its publication) that is found to
> have external IP constraints which were undisclosed???

Nothing, only the status line on the front page can be changed.

> is there a way to pull the publication and prevent its use by those
> the IETF has given 'any and all uses' rights to?

No.

> who is liable for the IETF's actions in publishing documents it
> doesn't have ownership of, or rights to publish since the IETF's
> copyright statement seems to prevent any recall or control of
> those IP's.

If you give me a cookie, and I give it to somebody who eats it,
and it later turns out that you've stolen it, then you're liable,
unless the owner can prove that I knew this (here for values of
cookie = RFC, and I = IETF).  IANAL, you are, aren't you ?

[...skipping a hard question, where I've no clear idea at all...]

> What happens to a Standard that is found to have external IP
> constraints controlling it, that are found after the Standard's
> publication?

We're just discussing a proposed option to update its status line.

> How does the IETF and its management protect itself from IP
> issues when it cannot recall any documents which were published
> wrongly

I've heard that the management of the Trust etc. have some legal
insurance.

> is it the intention of the IETF to misrepresent its intent and
> actually to build processes to make it impossible from a 
> real-world perspective to control IP submitted to it?

The "intentions of the IETF" are a moving target, but sometimes
RFCs are published claiming to represent a (past) IETF consensus
binding until it's obsoleted or updated by another RFC.

Was that a quiz ?  What's my result ?

Frank



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