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[Ips] Recent comments about FCoE and iSCSI
Dear All,
The trade press is lately full with
comments about the latest and greatest reincarnation of Fiber Channel over
ethernet.
It made me try and summarize all the
long and hot debates that preceded the advent of iSCSI.
Although FCoE proponents make it look
like no debate preceded iSCSI that was not so - FCoE was considered even
then and was dropped as a dumb idea.
Here is a summary (as afar as I can
remember) of the main arguments. They are not bad arguments even in retrospect
and technically FCoE doesn't look better than it did then.
Feel free to use this material in a
nay form. I expect this group to seriously expand my arguments and
make them public - in personal or collective form.
And do not forget - it is a technical
dispute - although we all must have some doubts about the way it is pursued.
Regards,
Julo
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What a piece of nostalgia :-)
Around 1997 when a team at IBM Research (Haifa
and Almaden) started looking at connecting storage to servers using the
"regular network" (the ubiquitous LAN) we considered many alternatives
(another team even had a look at ATM - still a computer network candidate
at the time). I won't get you over all of our rationale (and we went over
some of them again at the end of 1999 with a team from CISCO before we
convened the first IETF BOF in 2000 at Adelaide that resulted in iSCSI
and all the rest) but some of the reasons we choose to drop Fiber Channel
over raw Ethernet where multiple:
- Fiber Channel Protocol (SCSI over Fiber Channel
Link) is "mildly" effective because:
- it implements endpoints in a dedicated engine
(Offload)
- it has no transport layer (recovery is done
at the application layer under the assumption that the error rate will
be very low)
- the network is limited in physical span and
logical span (number of switches)
- flow-control/congestion control is achieved
with a mechanism adequate for a limited span network (credits). The packet
loss rate is almost nil and that allows FCP to avoid using a transport
(end-to-end) layer
- FCP she switches are simple (addresses are
local and the memory requirements cam be limited through the credit mechanism)
- However FCP endpoints are inherently costlier
than simple NICs – the cost
argument (initiators
are more expensive)
- The credit mechanisms is highly unstable
for large networks (check switch vendors planning docs for the network
diameter limits) – the scaling
argument
- The assumption of low losses due to errors
might radically change when moving from 1 to 10 Gb/s – the
scaling argument
- Ethernet has no credit mechanism and any
mechanism with a similar effect increases the end point cost. Building
a transport layer in the protocol stack has always been the preferred choice
of the networking community – the
community argument
- The "performance penalty" of a
complete protocol stack has always been overstated (and overrated). Advances
in protocol stack implementation and finer tuning of the congestion control
mechanisms make conventional TCP/IP performing well even at 10 Gb/s and
over. Moreover the multicore processors that become dominant on the computing
scene have enough compute cycles available to make any "offloading"
possible as a mere code restructuring exercise (see the stack reports from
Intel, IBM etc.)
- Building on a complete stack makes available
a wealth of operational and management mechanisms built over the years
by the networking community (routing, provisioning, security, service location
etc.) – the community argument
- Higher level storage access over an IP network
is widely available and having both block and file served over the same
connection with the same support and management structure is compelling
– the community argument
- Highly efficient networks are easy to build
over IP with optimal (shortest path) routing while Layer 2 networks use
bridging and are limited by the logical tree structure that bridges must
follow. The effort to combine routers and bridges (rbridges) is promising
to change that but it will take some time to finalize (and we don't know
exactly how it will operate). Untill then the scale of Layer 2 network
is going to seriously limited –
the scaling argument
As a side argument – a performance comparison
made in 1998 showed SCSI over TCP (a predecessor of the later iSCSI) to
perform better than FCP at 1Gbs for block sizes typical for OLTP (4-8KB).
That was what convinced us to take the path that lead to iSCSI – and we
used plain vanilla x86 servers with plain-vanilla NICs and Linux (with
similar measurements conducted on Windows).
The networking and storage community acknowledged
those arguments and developed iSCSI and the companion protocols for service
discovery, boot etc.
The community also acknowledged the need
to support existing infrastructure and extend it in a reasonable fashion
and developed 2 protocols iFCP (to support hosts with FCP drivers and IP
connections to connect to storage by a simple conversion from FCP to TCP
packets) FCPIP to extend the reach of FCP through IP (connects FCP islands
through TCP links). Both have been
implemented and their foundation is solid.
The current attempt of developing a "new-age"
FCP over an Ethernet link is going against most of the arguments that have
given us iSCSI etc.
It ignores the networking layering practice,
build an application protocol directly above a link and thus limits scaling,
mandates elements at the link layer and application layer that make applications
more expensive and leaves aside the whole "ecosystem" that accompanies
TCP/IP (and not Ethernet).
In some related effort (and at a point also
when developing iSCSI) we considered also moving away from SCSI (like some
"no standardized" but popular in some circles software did –
e.g., NBP) but decided against. SCSI is a mature and well understood access
architecture for block storage and is implemented by many device vendors.
Moving away from it would not have been justified at the time.
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