Re: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals

["Stephen Hanna" <shanna at juniper.net>]

Are you referring to this code of conduct?

http://www.isoc.org/members/codeconduct.shtml

If so, this does not seem to be a set of rules for
IETF activities. It instead says that it is a "code
of conduct" intended to "indicate the standard of
professional behaviour to which ISOC members aspire,
and which is intended to be an example to Internet
professionals as a whole."

The principles espoused in this code seem to be
admirable but they do not seem to be "rules" that
are binding on all IETF activities. If you can
point to an RFC or other official IETF document
that says otherwise, please send the URL.

If an extended discussion of this topic ensues,
I'll have to refer it to another email list.
There is nothing NEA-specific to the discussion.

Thanks,

Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: todd glassey [mailto:tglassey at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:26 PM
To: Stephen Hanna; nea at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals

Steve, thanks for responding but what I asked isn't what you answered.
What 
I asked was if the ISOC rules applied here.

If the answer is NO then I need to know that. So the question is
re-asked 
again...

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Hanna" <shanna at juniper.net>
To: "todd glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>; "??" <jiake.cn at huawei.com>;

<nea at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals


The same rules apply to NEA that apply to other IETF efforts.

Thanks,

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: todd glassey [mailto:tglassey at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:53 AM
To: Stephen Hanna; ??; nea at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals

Steve - do the ISOC code of conduct rules bring into play any NEA
issues?
including the IP support requirements? I ask this because those rules do

apply to other IETF efforts.

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Hanna" <shanna at juniper.net>
To: "??" <jiake.cn at huawei.com>; <nea at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals


> Yes, please join in the email discussion. The NEA WG
> chairs will look to the email discussion to determine
> WG consensus, not to in-person discussions. That's
> the IETF way. So I'm sorry that you can't come to
> Philadelphia but this should not prevent your active
> participation in the discussion on this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nea-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:nea-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of
??
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:50 AM
> To: nea at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals
>
> Hi, folks
> I am sorry to tell you guys that I will be absent from this meeting
> due to the failure of VISA application. But I think I can join in the
> discussion via e-mail if I have any specific comments after reading
these
> new proposals.
>
> Jack.Chia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nea-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:nea-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Susan
> Thomson (sethomso)
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:36 PM
> To: nea at ietf.org
> Subject: [Nea] Process for reviewing PA and PB candidate proposals
>
> In response to the request for proposals for the PA and PB protocols,
the
> NEA WG has received three drafts: PA-TNC, PA-TNC Security, and PB-TNC.
We
> need to decide whether to adopt these as WG drafts.
>
> The drafts are:
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nea/draft-sangster-nea-pa-tnc-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nea/draft-sahita-nea-pb-tnc-00.txt
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nea/draft-sangster-nea-pa-tnc-security-00.txt
>
> Please review these documents to see whether they provide a good basis
for
> the protocol work to be done and whether they should be adopted as WG
> documents. Remember that, as  with any initial version of a WG draft,
> there
> will be opportunity for updating the protocol specifications later in
the
> process. The main question here is not "are the proposals perfect?"
but
> "are
> the proposals a good basis for starting work on PA and PB?"
>
> With this in mind, please provide comments to the mailing list at
> nea at ietf.org and/or be prepared to make these comments at the upcoming
WG
> meeting in Philadelphia. An email comment on this topic could be as
simple
> as "I have reviewed proposal X and believe that we should accept it as
a
> WG
> draft", or as complex as a long explanation of a problem that is not
> adequately addressed.
>
> You can also provide more detailed comments and corrections to the
> protocol
> now, but these will be retained and considered later in the process.
The
> intent is not to go into detailed discussions of relatively minor
issues
> at
> this point. Major issues are fine to discuss if they relate to the
> question
> of whether we should accept the proposals as WG drafts.
>
> You might ask "what is the alternative to accepting these documents as
WG
> drafts?" We could decide to reject one or more of the drafts and
solicit
> more proposals, request a major change or clarification to a proposal
> before
> we're willing to accept it, or other options.
>
> Please send comments on this topic before the NEA WG meeting at IETF
71 if
> possible (currently scheduled for Tuesday, March 11 at 9 AM ET), and
no
> later than 5 PM on Wednesday, March 19. This should allow the WG
chairs to
> judge consensus in a timely manner and allow the WG to move on to the
hard
> work of developing the PA and PB protocol specifications.
>
> Thanks for your careful attention to this matter.
>
> Susan Thomson and Steve Hanna
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