Re: [TLS] Document Action: 'TLS Elliptic Curve Cipher Suites with

["Steven M. Bellovin" <smb at cs.columbia.edu>]

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:17:16 +0200 (MEST)
Martin Rex <Martin.Rex at sap.com> wrote:

> Richard M Stallman wrote:
> > 
> >     It's worse than that. There's no "IETF police" to come after  
> >     violators, or enforce section 7 of 3979. If some individual
> > fails to disclose, she will not be barred from participating in
> > IETF discussions, or from posting new drafts.  If a company fails
> > to disclose, definitely no action will be taken against its
> > employees.   
> > 
> > If this is true, does it indicate that the IETF needs to take a
> > stronger stand in enforcing its own rules?
> 
> Keep in mind that there is no formal membership in the IETF,
> and every participant participates as an individual.  Most of the time
> there are employers/companies sponsoring the IETF working group or
> meeting participation, but that does not automatically make
> participants representatives for their sponsors (or affiliates).
> 
> There is no obligation that engineers participating the IETF know all
> or any of the patents of their sponsors/affiliates.
> 
> The patents one ought to disclose (when touched) are those that one
> already holds or one (or one's team) is working on, i.e. the obvious
> submarine patents.
 
The wording in RFC 3979 is "Any Contributor who reasonably and
personally knows of IPR".  I think that that covers your description.


		--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
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