Re: [Tools-discuss] historic mailing list archives

["Frank Ellermann" <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail.com>]

Lars Eggert wrote:
 
> I don't think the IETF can depend on gmane or any
> other external archiving service.

Apparently it does in the case of the newtrk archive,
or various "other lists".  Depending on how Google
indexes such archives is also risky.  I just found
that Google changed the format of "CSE annotation"
files *again*, i.e. shortly after the documentation
was in a remotely understandable state what really
happens is *again* unrelated to this documentation.

I didn't have "*.psg.com/*" and added that, before
that addition I got 69 hits for "clean slate rrg":

<http://purl.net/xyzzy/-a9/clean+slate+rrg>

Now I get less hits (62), LOL.  But with the dupes
included PSG.COM shows up, 100 hits.  The effect
depends also on the order of the keywords, 56 hits 
for <http://purl.net/xyzzy/-a9/rrg+clean+slate>

> too many past examples of such services that have  
> been used to host IETF lists that have disappeared,
> as evidenced by the defunct archive links on
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/concluded

That list only has the former "original" archives, 
for Newtrk you could use a still existing archive
in your CSE.

My GMaNe search pattern proposal was too complex:

>> <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.newtrk/*>
>> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.newtrk/*>

<http://*.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.newtrk/*> is enough.

>> <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.*>
>> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.*>

Ditto, check out <http://*.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.*>.

Maybe you can reconstruct some lost IETF archives
such as Newtrk using the GMaNe export feature, but
it would be a huge project when you take various
sources down to raw ftp.ietf.org mbox archives...

 Frank
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