Re: [Asrg] RMX evaluation (was RE: Is there anything good enough? - Spoofing stats)

[Hadmut Danisch <hadmut@danisch.de>]

On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 12:08:59PM -0400, Paul Judge wrote:
> 
> This is a clear list of arguments against RMX. 

You do call that "arguments"? Are you serious?



> >   - it is redundant and unnecessary because existing 
> > mechanisms achieve
> >      can stop mail from free providers that does not come from each
> >      provider's MTAs.


We are not talking about the few free providers only. There are
tens of millions of domains, not only five.



> >   - there are simpler, already largely deployed ways to do exactly
> >      what RMX does without a new RR, including Paul Vixie's 
> > suggestions. 

If they do exactly what RMX does, why shouldn't those objections
against RMX apply to them as well?



> >   - the new RMX RR will never be seriously considered in the DNS WG.

Wow, that is an first class argument. Shouldn't we let the WG itself
decide it instead of Vernon?



> >   - if by some fluke that happens it will never pass Last 
> > Call in a DNS WRK.


Wow, another first class argument. We are blessed to have such
a genius like Vernon who can predict other peoples opinion. 


> >   - if everyone is asleep there, it won't pass IESG review or 
> > main list
> >      Last Call.

Another one of these. I wonder what we need IETF, IRTF, working groups
and mailing lists for if we have a fortune teller like Vernon.


> >   - if it does get standardized, it will not be widely 
> > implemented in MTAs.


Wow, again a well-founded argument. 


> >   - it will not be installed by the organizations you need to install
> >      it, including Hotmail, AOL, and Microsoft, because they will not
> >      change their business models.


What does Microsoft need Bill Gates for if we have Vernon to define
their Business Model? Why do we need to fight against Spam at all if
Spam perfectly meets companies business models?




> > I'm beginning to get the impression that RMX proponents are 
> > egregiously unaware of how SMTP works and is commonly used.  

Wow, another good argument. Paul, I guess that could be your 
favourite...


Paul, I really do applaude for your wise and experienced way
of group leadership and your profound ability to identify
good arguments.




Hadmut
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