Re: [Asrg] Zombie spam

[Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com>]

On July 19, 2004 at 23:43 dhc at dcrocker.net (Dave Crocker) wrote:
 > the instant we start trying to use things like "complaints" we are in
 > the realm of social assessment, not technical, nevermind the fuzziness
 > and politics of it.

Which is why I believe the only workable solution to spam is per-piece
charges for e-mail (which might include some "reasonable" amount of
bundled allotment.)

If we don't charge then all we can really do is organize committees to
decide who is worthy and who is not.

 > BS> It might be difficult to distinguish from forwarding hosts.
 > 
 > Right.  And, alas, this leads us down the path of considering having
 > forwarding hosts be registered with the ISP.

Which would mean that any spam filtering would only be as strong as
the sum (or, perhaps, intersection) of those blessed hosts.

We run into that problem from time to time.

People want alumni or professional organizations they're nostalgically
attached to blindly white-listed (oh the horror that anyone might
mistake alumni.pacifictech.edu for a spam source!) But often they're
administered poorly so become the target of spammers.

 > The part of this that might not be so crazy is that providers often
 > distinguish charges between low-traffic and high-traffic hosts within
 > their networks.
 > 
 > 
 > BS> Oh let's just admit it, we're seriously f*****d.
 > 
 > I thought we all had already done that.
 > 
 > The challenge, now is to followup up that fact with... hmmm. can't think
 > of a clever comment that won't get me into all sorts of political
 > correctness trouble.

We're being slimed 7x24 by grow your penis and live lolita site and
pirated software ads and you're worried about our delicate
sensibilities?!

 > d/
 > --
 >  Dave Crocker <mailto:dcrocker at brandenburg.com>
 >  Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com>
 >  Sunnyvale, CA  USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>, <fax:+1.866.358.5301>

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