RE: RFC2026 and the terms fair and open

[Black_David@emc.com]

Todd,

> >      What this means is that ultimately
> >      since todayÆs WGÆs only support the ôconstituencyö of one standard
> >      initiative per type,
> >
> > Assuming "type" is to be read broadly, that's not true.  IP Storage is
> > a counterexample within one WG (3 very different protocols for carrying
> > block storage traffic over TCP/IP in one WG),
> 
> becuase those WG Chair and AD's allowed this, but it is not the rule, its
> the exception.

Let's see, for web security, both SSL and a higher level mechanism were
worked on, CDI seemed to be chasing everything under the sun in its domain,
ISSLL worked on every layer 2 media for which interest could be generated,
diffserv started up after intserv, ... how many "exceptions" will it take
to convince you that your "rule" is wrong?

> > and there are other cases
> > in which separate WGs have been formed for technologies that compete in
the
> > marketplace (a recent example is WGs for both layer 2 and layer 3 VPNs).
> 
> David there is no consistency the AD's and WG Chairs may bring in whatever
> they want and many have used this to shut down various initiatives. The
> issue here is this fair or even reasonable? and I think not.

I strongly disagree with where I think this is going - using "lack of
consistency"
to prevent exercise of best technical judgment by ADs and WG Chairs.

A requirement on the IETF to pursue any technical effort brought to it
without
major change will have two very undesirable consequences:
- It will become essentially impossible to kill "bad ideas".  Some people
	still don't understand basic Internet principles like congestion
control
	and have to be told "no".
- It will become essentially impossible to merge or partially merge related
	efforts that ought to be pursued as a single protocol or via having
	key (sub)components in common.
To the extent that this is a proposal to restrain the exercise of the best
technical judgment of ADs and WG Chairs, I am strongly opposed.

Thanks,
--David
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